I spend a lot of time on the range not always shooting, can I leave my long rifles
and ammo in my car for days going to the food store, bank,post office ??
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If I understand your question …
As long as you have your FPID on you, and the guns are cased, and unloaded, and the ammo stored separately in secured containers in a separate compartment of the vehicle, you may transport long guns and NON hollow point ammo.
Could you perhaps rephrase your question to clarify your intent. I believe the question has been answered but unsure the exact nature.
Like, are you asking if it is okay to do the food shopping on the way back from not shooting at the range with all your long guns and ammo loaded in the car?
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I spend 4-5 days in the range but I want to leave my guns in my car
all week 7 days the intent not to unload the guns and ammo is that clear ?
If you mean leaving (eg storing) unloaded long guns in the vehicle, transporting only long guns, that is legal as long as you have your FPID on you. However, storing any firearm in a vehicle overnight is risky. If your car gets stolen or broken into, that could potentially get u into some trouble. And, I doubt auto insurance will cover the loss.
My car is locked in the locked garage all night, you can have your guns
in your house in a safe they can still you safe when you not home nothing is
failsafe
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Leaving your guns WITH AMMO in the car for weeks at a time is just plain dumb. Borderline irresponsible if you ask me. The latest craze is thieves disabling home security systems, breaking into your house and stealing your key fob for the car. Off they go with your loaded guns. You do what you want but it would suck to get shot with your own gun.
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For all the reasons posted above of why it isn’t a good/smart idea, I’ll add a question, how much corrosion are you willing to clean from the humidity. My 1911’s are crying.
FPID or what ever other acronym.
Is a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card. You cannot “purchase” any firearm without one.
Now a CCW is a “permit” to carry a concealed weapon.
Where is the law stating you must carry a Firearms Purchasers Identification Card to transport long guns or pistols in your vehicle?
I have never carried my “yellow” card ever unless going to purchase, carrying yer card does not prove the firearms yer transporting were purchased by you or not, doesn’t prove they are not stolen either.
Legally, you can drive your long guns to and from ranges and other approved locations like FFLs without your FID on you. Pistols are another matter. You must have your FID on you when transporting a handgun or hollow point ammo anywhere, and if you are not going to an exempt location, you’d better have a CCW..
Question…are you saying you need to carry both your FID and CCW permit when carrying? And if so, wouldn’t just your CCW permit cover you since you need the SBI # to get one?
Long guns can be driven TO and FROM a range or FFL WITHOUT a FID.
You can drive around anywhere 24x7 with long guns that are unloaded and cased if you have your FID on your person.
You can transport a handgun TO and FROM a range or FFL (exempt locations) with a FID on your person. With very narrow exemptions, (recently relaxed) deviations like stopping for gas, or going to a restaurant, or stopping to take a leak while on your way TO or FROM an exempt location eg range or FFL.
you CANNOT drive around just anywhere 24x7 with a handgun with JUST an FID on your person. To drive around anywhere 24x7 with a handgun, you must have a CWP.
If you have a CWP and a handgun, you do NOT have to carry your FID if you are legally carrying ONLY your CWP handgun.
The CWP does not give any additional privileges outside carrying a handgun. eg you cannot use your CWP to cover transporting long guns 24x7.
If you have a CWP AND are transporting long guns 24x7, you need to have your CWP and FID on you.
If you are carrying ONLY your CWP gat, then all u need is your CWP on you.
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The misconceptions in this thread are astonishing.
An FPIC (or FID, or FPID, or whatever) applies ONLY to rifles and shotguns for the purpose of possession or acquisition. It can also be used to buy pistol ammo. It does not have any meaning for the possession of handguns.
If you do not have an FPIC, you are not allowed to possess a rifle or shotgun unless explicitly exempted in NJSA 2C:39-6. Those exemptions include possession at your own property, and transportation between specific locations such as your property and a range, gunsmith, etc. You are never allowed to possess a loaded rifle or shotgun outside of the exemptions.
If you have an FPIC you can possess an unloaded rifle or shotgun generally anywhere, except places banned by law. The banned locations are all of the “sensitive places” banned in the carry killer bill as well as any that are banned Federally. Post Offices and their property are banned at the Federal level. Do not even take your unloaded, cased rifle or shotgun locked in the trunk of your car into the USPS parking lot.
A PTC (or CCW, or carry permit, or whatever) applies ONLY to handguns for the purpose of possession. It can also be used to buy pistol ammo. It does not have any meaning for the possession of rifles or shotguns.
If you do not have an PTC, you are not allowed to possess a handgun unless explicitly exempted in NJSA 2C:39-6. Those exemptions include possession at your own property, and transportation between specific locations such as your property and a range, gunsmith, etc. You are never allowed to possess a loaded handgun outside of the exemptions.
If you have an PTC you can possess a loaded or unloaded handgun generally anywhere, except places banned by law. The banned locations are all of the “sensitive places” banned in the carry killer bill as well as any that are banned Federally. Post Offices and their property are banned at the Federal level. Do not even take your unloaded, cased handgun locked in the trunk of your car into the USPS parking lot.
An important thing to remember is if you are outside the exemptions, the police are required by law to assume you do not have any required permit (FPIC or PTC) until you prove otherwise. I keep my FPIC and PTC with me in my wallet at all times.
The FPIC and PTC are separate and different. One is not related to the other (except that you need to have obtained an FPIC to apply for a PTC). The PTC cannot be used in place of a FPIC. If you change address you have to apply for a new FPIC because your existing one becomes invalid after 30 days. Your PTC covers you in the entire State regardless of changing your address.
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Where does it say I need an FPID or my “yellow” card to transport firearms?
The FID does not prove ownership of anything. It only proves you can purchase.
My car registration proves its my car, My DL proves who Iam, My State of New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card is hereby granted permission to purchase Rifles shotguns…
You also need an FPID to file for a State of NJ Permit to Purchase as Handgun.
The only time according to NJ State Law that I know of that you need to carry any document when “carrying” a firearm is a CCW.
So as a Hunter going Coyote Hunting with a valid Hunting License, they can traverse the State with a AR 15 style rifle and be legal. Yet you say you must carry an FPID to legally transport?
FYI 25 Cal. or less legal in NJ for Hunting with specified weights for that license.
According to your logic I can have 5 stolen firearms in my vehicle and I’m going to sell them illegally in the parking lot of a gun range. but if I have my FID card I’m safe to transport. Cuz I Am within NJ’s restrictive law of transporting firearms?
Again show me the State Law that States you cannot Transport Firearms without carrying a Firearms Purchaser ID card.
You can purchase handguns without an FPIC. You need a Permit to Purchase a Pistol to acquire an handgun. Before FARS, you were able to obtain a PtPP without ever having applied for or obtained an FPIC. After FARS, you get a FPIC with every approved application for a PtPP anyway, it seems. Lots of FFLs ask for it, because without a paper PtPP, it it the easiest way to be sure of getting the correct SBI number so they can look up the correct electronic PtPP. It is not required by law.
Correct, it does not prove ownership of the rifles or shotguns, but showing your FPIC ends the probable cause that the police may have for running the serial numbers to find out.
NJ law is backwards It says you cannot possess firearms at all, unless something.
E.g. You cannot possess a rifle or shotgun, unless you have previously obtained an FPIC.
2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of weapons.
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c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
If you are transporting it, you are in possession of it.
But wait, there’s more…
There are exemptions to 2C:39-5 found in 2C:39-6 which covers a lot of things like police officers, active duty military, arson investigators and many others including:
2C:39-6 Exemptions.
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e. Nothing in subsections b., c., and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about the person’s place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by the person, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to the person’s residence or place of business, between the person’s dwelling and place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between the person’s dwelling or place of business and place where the firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.
f. Nothing in subsections b., c., and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:(1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying firearms necessary for target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;
(2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and the person has in the person’s possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license;
(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:
(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in the person’s possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or
(b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or
(c) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with any reasonable safety regulations the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;
(4) A person from keeping or carrying about a private or commercial aircraft or any boat, or from transporting to or from the aircraft or boat for the purpose of installation or repair of a visual distress signaling device approved by the United States Coast Guard.
g. Any weapon being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
If you are within the exemptions, you do not need to have your FPIC with you if you are transporting unloaded rifles or shotguns. It is advisable to have it with you anyway, because producing it makes the police’s effort to establish whether you really were travelling to or from a range, or other exempt location moot.
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In Florida I leave a few extra mags for my sig 365 in my car. I would never leave a firearm. I’m always seeing on the news about cars and trucks being broken into even in driveways and guns being stolen. Also putting Glock, HK, or pro 2nd amendment stickers on your car or truck is a bad idea.
I saw a show once on TV that showed how easy it was to break into car trunks. A guy would watch restaurants and hit high end cars when people went into eat. He saw 2 nicely dressed guy’s getting out of a Cadillac. He said he popped the trunk and saw 2 machine guns a few other various guns. He said he looked around and slowly closed the trunk and walked away without anything. He felt those weren’t the kind of people he wanted to rob.
I believe having this discussion of leaving guns unattended in a car (locked or not) is as dumb as having a discussion if men could get pregnant. No brainer here.
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Considering that leaving a gun in a car is physically possible, it is not the same at all. Just because you wouldn’t do it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done.
Also, with NJ’s dumb sensitive area restrictions, sometimes there isn’t much of a choice. Either do your entire trip without your self defense gun, or lock it in the car when you get to your prohibited destination.
There is a downside, especially in a southern State like Florida. The heat that builds up in a parked car can be bad for the primer and powder in loaded ammo. Storing ammo in a cool, dry place is best. Keep it somewhere hot, and it would be a good idea to use it and replace it periodically.
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It’s irresponsible.