Could you elaborate?
Is it more irresponsible to drive your family from one end of NJ to the other with no means to defend them, than to lock your gun in a lock box in your parked vehicle which is also locked for the duration of your visit at a location that the government says you can’t carry in before driving back the length of NJ again?
Those were in no way the examples he used. He stated he left the guns in for days and mentioned errands like food store and bank. None of these are life threatening circumstances. He just didn’t want to put the gun in the house.
Because it’s legal and one has the right doesn’t make it a responsible thing to do. It’s my right and its legal for me to cash in my 401K in 100’s and store them stapled to the tree in my front yard. I can do it if I want but it wouldn’t be the smartest thing I’ve done all week.
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The FPIC is also a right to CARRY a long gun. It used to state it on the card but no longer does. It still means purchase and Carry long guns.
Thank you, you proved my point.
There is no Law that requires you to carry your “Firearms Purchaser Identification Card”. The card exempts all that have one the ability to purchase firearms legally exempt from the law that states its illegal to purchase.
Your statements on this issue all stated you must carry the FPID to transport and that is false.
If yer gonna put information on here get it right. Alotta people come here for “good” information, if yer gonna come across as an expert then get the facts to back up yer statements. I consider myself knowledgeable but Im not an expert, as you can see with our discussion. You came across as someone who had more knowledge than me…
The Police, if they pull you over and start questioning you about firearms in yer vehicle that yellow card is useless.
It is “false” if you are transporting a long gun to or from a range or FFL or hunting area.
It is true if you are NOT going to a range or ffl and are just driving around with cased unloaded long guns.
Please back up your statement and show the State Law that says you need, must, shall carry a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card to Transport Firearms.
Mr Stu couldnt maybe you can for us please. Cuz none of us want to put ourselves in jeopardy by not follwoing the Law.
The law does not explicitly state that you must carry your FPIC with you, only that you must have previously obtained one.
2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of weapons.
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c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
However, there is also this which requires the police officer to assume you do not have a license or permit until you establish that you do.
2C:39-2. Presumptions
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b. Licenses and permits. When the legality of a person’s conduct under this chapter depends on his possession of a license or permit or on his having registered with or given notice to a particular person or agency, it shall be presumed that he does not possess such a license or permit or has not registered or given the required notice, until he establishes the contrary.
This means that they will treat you as a criminal until you show that you are not - i.e. presumed guilty. To me that is a de facto requirement to carry the FPIC with you.
“When the legality of a person’s conduct”, Lets see evasive, uncooperative, argumentative, defensive…
If yer at the Presumption phase with a traffic stop yer gonna need a Lawyer. You really think that yellow card is gonna save ya?
The conduct is possessing a rifle or shotgun.
It is not illegal and you cannot get a license to be evasive, uncooperative, argumentative or defensive. Even if that was controlled by statute, why would it be in 2C:39 which is about firearms? Try to stay on topic, please.
NJ gun law starts with prohibiting the possession all guns and then carving out ways that possession is not illegal. Therefore, if the cop finds that you have a gun in the vehicle, he must presume that you are possessing it illegally, until you establish that you have the required permit.
I agree, there are circumstances where you don’t need a permit for possession such as transporting it directly to or from a range. If that is what you are relying on, the cops must still presume that you are breaking the law, until you establish that you are not. Do you need to show proof of your start and finish places? I doubt it would often come to that, but technically it could.
Yes, I really do because it has.
I was stopped for driving a little too fast a few years ago by an NJSP trooper on RT-31 less than a quarter mile from my house. In the back seat were some rifle cases and a holster belt with the empty holster, which I had not covered so they were in plain view. The Trooper saw the cases and the holster. He presumed that there were firearms in the vehicle and asked about them, where I had come from and where I was going.
He first asked about the rifle cases and if I had an FID card. I gave him my card and he was satisfied. He then asked about handguns and if I had a carry permit. This was pre-Bruen so I did not. However, my explanation that I was returning from a range and that my home was only a few hundred yards farther down the road (which was consistent with the address on my FPIC and drivers license). This solved the presumption that I was illegally in possession of a handgun.
We chatted a while about me being a firearms instructor, and then he gave me a warning for my speed and left me alone.
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