Thinking about a 10 mm...recommendations?

I’m spending a good bit of time hiking up in the hills of northern Idaho; it’s prime black bear country, and I only have to go about an hour from home to get into known grizzly habitat. I’ve got bear spray (you know you’re in bear country when the local Costco has a huge display of canister twin-packs), but also carrying something more effective seems prudent.

I’ve got a 6" S&W 29 which is a decent choice, but it’s a lot of gun to lug around for only 6 rounds. A 1911 with extended mags would get me to 10+1, but at a significant reduction in power if I stick with .45ACP rounds.

10mm seems to be all the rage for carry in bear country…one of the shooting mags went so far as to say bear country may be the biggest factor in keeping the 10mm round alive. Balistically it would be about the same as a .357, so I’d consider it on the light side, but packing almost 3 times as many rounds as a .44 mag (or bigger) revolver. Much as I hate to add another caliber to the cabinet, I’m considering it.

I’m lucky in that a local range has a Glock 20, Sig Sauer XTEN P320, S&W MP m2.0, and Springfield Armory XDM Elite I can try for one rental fee, so I plan on doing that. I expect to like the XDM the most, as I really like the smaller 9mm XD-S, but you never know. Rock Island Armory has a 2011 in 10mm (16 rounds, and a reasonably low price point), but there isn’t one on the rental line.

Are there any I’m overlooking? Do any members of the NJGF brain trust have experience with any of these models?

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I don’t hunt bear but I have the Springfield XDM Elite and I purchased it when Springfield was running the special with the 3 extra mags and the case. I put a Red Dot on it that I had laying around and I like shooting it. I also have the Glock 20 Gen 4 which I also like. Comparing them is splitting hairs. I like the of the Springfields, ergonomics, it just feels better in my hand. You can’t go wrong with either. Good Luck and I hope you don’t have any run ins with any bear.

If it was me I’d keep it simple and go with the Glock 20 or Rock Island Ultra FS.

I have the m&p. shoots great, feels nice in hand too. they also have a performance center version with ported barrel too but i havent got to shoot that model. i hear it’s nice though and helps some with muzzle flip. Cant say i’ve had any issues with it, so no real complaints. also its 15+1 cap (blocked to 10 in nj)

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I made it to the local (Post Falls, ID) commercial range today. I had already joined the Coeur d’Alene gun club for $60/yr. Rifle/Pistol from 10 yds to 200, and indoor small bore to 50’, though it has limited hours.

The mission was to test fire the Glock 20 (MSRP $599), Sig Sauer XTEN P320 (MSRP $799), S&W MP m2.0 (MSRP $679), and Springfield Armory XDM Elite (MSRP $653), all in 10mm. I could rent all for $10, and with unlimited range time and a box of their S&B ammo the experiment only cost about $45. Sweet!

My impressions are as follows:

I was surprised that the grip, and circumference of the grips were all just about right for me. I’d expected some of the double stack guns to be too bulky. Proper grip fit is when the second flat of your gripping fingers can lay flat across the front strap. If the grip is too big or small, your finger flats are too far to one side or the other of the front strap, and then any inconsistencies in how tightly you grip the gun will cock it to one side or the other. Watch the sights while increasing or decreasing your grip…the sights shouldn’t skew to either side if the grip fits. Anyway, these were all good, though the grips were a little short for me on the Sig and the S&W. With my little finger only partly on the grip, these two climbed more in recoil. Also, the SA was the only gun on which I could reach the mag release without shifting my grip.

The standard-capacity mag for the Springfield holds 16 rounds, the other three guns hold 15.

The sights were decent on all of the guns; only the Glock had adjustable sights. All were optics-ready, though none had optics installed.

All are striker-fired polymer framed pistols, though the Sig is unique in that it has a flat trigger–no trigger safety bar, or manual safety. Only the S&W had a manual safety. It was unobtrusive, but was easily manipulated with the thumb, and had nice, positive detents in both positions. The S&W is also available without the safety. Only the SA comes with a grip safety. I like it; I’m a 1911 guy.

The Sig had a very nice trigger pull…fewer moving parts. The SA was also quite good. The Glock had a Glock trigger pull, but there are a lot of aftermarket parts out there to improve it. The S&W was weird…you could really feel the internal safeties disengaging at different times in the pull.

Three of the guns had tactile loaded chamber indicators, which I’ve come to like. The S&W has a visual indicator, a small cutout in the top of the frame through which you can see brass, but I found the light had to be pretty bright for it be useful. The SA also has an indicator on the back of the slide to indicate the gun is cocked. A nice feature.

The Sig shot over 3" low at 33 feet, with no way to adjust for elevation. Heavier bullets would help, but the range ammo was 180 gr, and it’s hard to find 10mm ammo heavier than that. The S&W also shot a bit low, in my hands. The SA was almost shooting to point of aim, and the Glock was dead on, but with adjustable sights that one wouldn’t have been a problem if it wasn’t.

I shot two-six shot groups at 33’ with each gun. Two hands, about a bullseye timed fire cadence, but setting the gun down after each 3 shot string. Not enough, really, to definitively say which gun was more accurate. The Springfield, Glock, and Sig all averaged about 2" groups. The S&W a little over 3".

I think for my purposes, I’m going to chose the Springfield Armory XDM Elite. I’d love to test out a RIA Tac Ultra 2011 in 10mm, a double stack 1911 platform with a magazine capacity of 16, but I’ve been unable to find one to shoot.

I don’t hunt bear, but I have hunted and dropped several large Hogs with a .45 (1911) but that being said with the dogs & other in the party I’m not afraid for my life with any hog.

Bear is a whole nother ball game; and I would not trust my life in that type of situation to any S.A. handgun (jmo) - I would recommend a Ruger Alaskan (.44 mag). A whole lot of gun in a small frame (easy to carry) and Revolver don’t jam (99.999 % anyway).

I’ve wrestled with the ‘6 bigger more powerful bullets vs 16 smaller ones’ question, and I do like my revolvers… But the folks going into bear country around here seem to be gravitating towards the high-cap 10mms. The Ruger Alaskan is certainly a compact (for a .44) package, but the 2.5" Ruger is only 3 ounces lighter than the 6" S&W 29 I already have. Shorter, yes, but I know controllability will be much better with the big Smith.

I’ve got some time yet to think about it. Bears won’t be coming out of hibernation around here until late April. And with good bear-awareness (and a big can of bear spray) the risk they pose is already pretty low.

All Good points, and it’s good that you’re thinking through the process instead of just jumping in. The 629 is more than enough gun for the task, but the 6" bbl is the fly in that ointment. Harder to carry, harder to draw (Quickly) - all again IMOO. The Snubby Alaskan is expensive, especially when you already have a .44 but like a good carpenter - a hammer for every job so to speak.

As for the trend in 10mm semis, it’s the typical More (bullets) is Better mentality, which has it’s merits but training and knowledge is by far safer than “I got 16 rds.”
I good head shot, or a well placed center chest shot is enough with a .44 - jmo (again).

Best of luck in your quest…